Nominations Clarification Post #2

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• Kamen Rider Decade, Kamen Rider Kiva, and Kamen Rider Zi-O: These appear to be a shared continuity, with an overlapping universe and characters. Can the nominator or someone else familiar with them please clarify?
• Persona 5: The nomination includes a tag for Akira Kurusu/Joker. These appear to be the same person. Can the nominator or someone else familiar with Persona 5 clarify?
• Peter Pan & Related Fandoms: Please comment or edit your nomination to specify the Barrie version, the animated film, etc.
• Star Wars - All Media Types: The same relationships were nominated for Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader. We are aware that these are the same person. Nominator, please clarify?
• Voltron: Legendary Defender: "Any" is not permitted in this exchange. Please comment or edit your nomination to refer to a specific Shiro clone or other ship of your choice; if not, it will eventually be approved with Kuron.
• X-Men (Alternate Timeline Movies): Nominator, please explain. To which films does this refer and how are they a distinct fandom from other films?

The previous post has outstanding issues relating to Batman - All Media Types, The Witcher (TV), DCU Comics, DC's Arrowverse, and Dragon Age (Video Games).

Further to Star Wars - as some participants have correctly observed, the use of All Media Types this year was to avoid situations where a large number of Crossover Fandom nominations are between characters in a shared continuity who are in the same place at the same time, who are related to one another, etc. (For the same reason, mod is considering the best umbrella tag to encompass Tolkien's Silmarillion, Lord of the Rings, and Hobbit books but not Smith of Wootton Major, etc. or Jackson films; nominator waiting for approval in one of these fandoms, thanks for being patient.) However, the mod is not familiar with all Star Wars properties and would appreciate any guidance on the place in the Star Wars continuity of the games Jedi: Fallen Order and The Old Republic, or anything else you feel may be helpful regarding SW properties that are not the films.

Thank you!

Comments

Re: Kamen Rider

[flaim_ita]

Okay so there is a reason these were nominated separately.

Hesei and now Reiwa Kamen Rider series exist in softly separate universes, only combined during non-canon crossovers. Kiva in particular is Phase One Heisei where there really weren’t even crossovers, and only two Kiva characters show up in Decade, a different 2 in Zi-O. Of these, the three who were nommed and appeared in outside media are “alternates”. Otoya is an AR counterpart from the Decade-original World of Nega, and Yuri and Jirou have had their histories rewritten when they appear in Zi-O. Any requests from the nominated Kiva pairings refer solely to the versions which appeared in Kiva. Which is, again, it’s own separate universe.

As for Decade and Zi-O… this is complicated because despite both being unique stories, they *are* anniversary seasons, and part of the more-tightly-connected Neo-Hesei era. And Zi-O is very much a soft sequel to Decade. These could probably be changed to KR-AMT or KR-Heisei Era if required. But like. Natsumi and Yuusuke are in no way Zi-O characters. Also it’s just a general rule that due to the standalone nature of the seasons, Toku with separate universes like KR or Sentai be separate even if, say, Power Rangers and Ultraman are kept in one fandom.

Re: Kamen Rider

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Thank you very much for this helpful explanation! Based on what you've said, it seems like it would make sense to approve your nominations as "Kamen Rider Heisei Era" or "Kamen Rider Heisei Phase One" (if characters who are a substantial part of the plot in Kiva also appear in Decade in a significant capacity as the character travels between universes) and "Kamen Rider Zi-O" (since even though Kiva is referenced and Jirou appears, the connection is more tenuous). Does that make sense?

Re: Kamen Rider

[flaim_ita]

I would actually suggest otherwise, that either Decade or Zi-O was subsumed into the other’s tag and Kiva remains separate. Even Wataru’s presence in Decade is (officially, but it’s stupid so I ignore it) considered to be yet another AR (alternate Rider) counterpart. The strongest ties are undeniably between Zi-O and Decade, and Tsukasa even temporarily serves as both a tertiary Rider and villain general in Zi-O. Kiva was the last standalone season until… Zero-One, 11 years later. Or else all three could be merged into KR Heisei Era

Re: Kamen Rider

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Thank you for the clarification, and sorry for the mistake! Approved under one fandom.

Re: Kamen Rider

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Hi, sorry for the further questions. It looks like there are two characters called Woz. Do you want to nominate Black Woz or White Woz (or am I mistaken in thinking they're different people)?

Re: Kamen Rider

[flaim_ita]

Hi. So Ao3 separates it as “Woz” and “White Woz” (because Black Woz is the true Woz and the first Woz and the good Woz) which is what I used as a base, but I meant Black Woz. Yes, they’re different characters.

Re: Kamen Rider

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Thank you! For some reason I couldn't find either a Black Woz or a White Woz canonical tag when I looked, so I wasn't sure which one AO3 was treating as the default. Approved!